If you have more questions please ask.

Regards,

Didier Mervilde, Belgium

Thank you for your help in my efforts in clarifying Clear Flight/Dutch/ Frosted Pied mutations.

Sincerely,

Jo Ann Boyle, Georgia, USA

To better help you, it would be nice if you could send a picture of the bird in question.

On my webpages (http://didiermervilde.bestofbreeds.net/) you can find an article about Dutch pied budgerigars with a lot of pictures of other pied birds – perhaps this can help you too?

Regards,

Didier Mervilde, Belgium

Note from GSB:

Photos and further discussion on frosted pieds can be read here.

Gerald.

I am a member of BAA and ABS here in the US.

I live in Georgia.

I have an unusual marked bird that has been labelled frosted pied. I am a novice and turning intermediate next year – due in no small part to Jack Frost.

I can find no clear statement as to what a Frosted Pied is supposed to look like. Jack does look similar to the blue picture from Norway above. His crown is white and his mask has violet patches, with large round black spots. His body color is a soft blue somewhere between sky and cobalt & brighter sky color on back between wings.

There is some mottling of white through blue on chest. He has a spot on the back of head like other pieds.

His feet are mottled blue/pink.

His wing flights are mostly white with a couple of dark/black feathers. The tail has 4 central long feathers. Two underneath are about 3/4 length and white, while the top 2 are full length and dark blue.

He is unusually large for a baby 8+ months old. The black/white wing markings are somewhat blurred like snow on them – there is no blue wash into the wing color.

His cere seems to be developing into a normal blue.

Two world budgerigar judges, David Collier, formerly from UK now residing in US, and Mr Al-Nasser of the UK seem to think he is a Frosted Pied – as well as other US judges – but I can not find a clear standard of what a frosted pied should be.

The mother/hen is a white DEC from Gorden Davis’ aviary in Florida. The cock is a dark green recessive pied split from Maureen Broderick here in Georgia.

His line also traces back to Gordon Davis.

The clutch produced a white DEC hen, a recessive pied, 2 green clear flights that died as babies of unknown cause, and Jack – the largest and first to hatch. Will repair them this breeding season.

As a novice I need a real clear statement of standard for a dominant/australian pied, a dutch/clearflight pied, and a frosted pied as well as how to tell the difference between them.

There is currently a pied here in the US that is in question – Dom Pied or Clear flight.

I wrote to Mr Al-Nasser as he has judged both birds at the 2011 BAA Grand National in Arizona in September. No Reply as of yet. We are due to go to a show in December in New Orleans.

Hopefully Dr Travenechek (sp?) will be able to look at him then. Still somewhere there must be a standard to follow?

Many Thanks,
Jo Ann Boyle
Georgia, USA

I do not know what is happening, but a lot of interesting birds pop up from nowhere!

The green bird is a little related to the blue, so I think there is something in the genes in a lot of my budgies…

Regards,
Lilliot Rønning – Norway

What happens in your aviary all those “special” birds.

About the blue one – I am thinking in the way of what is known as Frosted Pied in America.

The green one I am not sure, perhaps a Mottled or also a Frosted Pied.

I wish you luck with the birds.

Regards,
Didier Mervilde, Belgium

This time I have got something else in my aviary…

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp323/djuren/undulaterna/ffforsok/15mars2011/15mars2011nelvin1.jpg

This is an Dutch pied cock born on 24th of December 2010.

The father is an yellowfaced skyblue and the mother is DEC eyed clear in yellow.

The young Nelvin looks like an ordinary Dutch pied, but now at age 7 months old he is changing:

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp323/djuren/undulaterna/2011/30mars2/nelvin7.jpg

Could I have an mottled?

I had a cock born in 2007 that also mottled, but back then I wasn’t aware that the little blue Dutch pied was anything out of ordinary – and sold him!

Little Lotus as a baby…

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp323/djuren/undulaterna/farger/lotusbaby.jpg

Little Lotus as a 6 -7 month old. I’ve heard that he is almost white now….

http://i424.photobucket.com/albums/pp323/djuren/undulaterna/farger/lotus_c.jpg

Both Nelvin and Lotus have ancestors from a breeder who is breeding specially on DEC and there is an big chance that those two birds born in my aviary are related.

This time I will not sell my “bleaching little thing” but I will continue to breed on the same line. I also have a sky blue yellowfaced sister to Nelvin and a DEC half sister as well.

Regards,
Mrs Lilliot Rønning, Norway